Blockleaders AMA with David Packham, CEO of Chintai

David Packham, Chintai CEO, is a finance industry veteran with 20 years of experience working for some of the largest institutions in the world. After witnessing inefficiencies and asymmetrical advantages in the financial system first hand, he felt compelled to be a part of the solution instead of the problem. The seeds of Chintai were born.

Welcome David Packham, CEO of Chintai to the Blockleaders AMA.

BL: First of all, can you tell me where you got your company name?

David: Chintai is the Japanese word for lease – which is one of the first use cases laid out for the platform.  

BL: What does the platform do – elevator pitch answer please!

David: The Chintai platform itself is based on three key elements – it can issue digital assets, it then provides a secondary marketplace and it embeds compliance at a native level.

BL: You’ve been busy the last couple of years, what have you been working on?

David: It’s been a busy couple of years for Chintai. The white paper was signed off in early 2018 with our own DEX launched in October of that year. 

We didn’t waste time. Back in 2018 most of the exchanges were centralised, like Coinbase, but we wanted to establish a decentralized exchange to facilitate peer to peer lending. With centralized exchanges, most of the activity is not happening on the blockchain but they are moving money around the same way that banks work. 

We knew we wanted a decentralized, more secure version.

We knew we were onto something good for in the first year of operation the trading volume was $250 million dollars.  

BL: Were you expecting such success so soon?

David: Yes and no – It gave us a real opportunity to step back and look at the bigger picture. We figured out we wanted to build a cohesive platform for digital assets that handled both issuance and deployment of a secondary market in an integrated fashion. 

On top of that, we wanted to embed compliance as a service. At the end of the day we are providing a software solution that other companies can use, including financial institutions.

BL: How has the market responded to your achievements?

David: The market has responded well to our approach, with a second round of funding of $7.5 million achieved led by Block.One and Cryptology. In fact, the Block.One referenced our a shared vision of a blockchain enabled digital asset revolution built on regulated services.

The point about regulation is crucial. 

Long term mass adoption will be driven by regulation. When the major excitement of blockchain and crypto emerged in the 2017s, the financial world started to take notice. Right now, traditional banking systems are very siloed and require thousands of white collar jobs simply to handle the inefficiencies within the systems. The promise of streamlining payments created a lot of buzz but that’s when the SEC stepped in. 

Many of those ICOs in the 2017s were illegal security raises and they got shut down. As a result many of the possible adopters of this technology took a big step back. You can’t ignore regulation.

BL: How has Chintai handled the issues of regulation?

David: My team has spent the last two and a half years getting to terms with regulation. 

The financial world has been waiting for a good quality compliance solution that enables them to experiment with digital assets. They can’t afford to damage their reputations.

Public blockchains, like Bitcoin and Ethereum, have great strengths such as being immutable and censorship resistant, but there is no KYC and no way of managing entrants or assets. 

This becomes a problem the minute any criminal activity is suspected. Again, the potential reputational risk is too high on public blockchains for the majority of traditional financial institutions.

BL: Are you seeking traditional banking licences? Where do you see your first markets?

David: Yes we are – we are in the process of applying for a number of banking licences which include RMO (Recognized Market Operator) and CMS (Capital Market Services) licenses, which handle market and exchange operation, and issuance respectively.

Over time, the plan is to be able to tokenize anything on Chintai, but we are client led and so the industry with the biggest demand is real estate.

Real estate as an asset class is traditionally expensive and illiquid. You can’t trade in and out of it cheaply or quickly. By tokenising real estate, we are really disrupting this industry – people will be able to trade in and out as if they were trading in shares.

After that, securities and commodities are in the line of fire. And bonds. And NFTs. We want to be able to enable dynamic forms of issuance and market operation.

BL: Which jurisdictions will you be operating in initially?

David: Our beta launched at the end of July with real estate in the US and Singapore as the use case. We are working closely with financial institutions and partners to tailor the product, adding in additional fields to cope with custodial KYC and other forms of client onboarding.

We’re at the rocket launch phase right now with everything about to lift off.

We are mapping our growth for a global pathway for regulations, beginning with Singapore. 

People will be able to switch on and off different jurisdictions depending on where they want to operate. We will be auto-enforcing compliance, and no one has done that before. At the end of the day this will also bring a lot of cost savings to our clients.

Ultimately, we don’t want to be a marketplace, we are instead building out our services as a technology partner which we think will be a whole lot more valuable to our financial clients. In the future no one will even know that platforms are even running on Chintai.

BL: How important is the most recent round of capital? 

David: We are no longer capital constrained and are expanding our team, even putting in place new offices in Germany. We have the finance to go after our licensing and to service some of the larger financial institutions.”

The next six months are all about scaling up, the rocket launch mentioned already. 

The beta should lead into going live, we will have live active markets, trade issuances, real time clients, compliance needs and much more. It’s going to be a wild ride.

BL: Thank you David – that has been a most interesting conversation and we wish you and Chintai every continuing success.